Terrible Dreams
As a virtual space, Interworld can manifest countless forces and agents. Meanwhile, those potentials of the Interworld usable in any world gradually manifest there; however, the virtual space also contains “sleeping” forces whose appearance in any world would destroy that world.
The point is that the Interworld is not only the “home” of creative forces; it is also the dwelling-place of chaos, including in its grimmest senses.
The actual mind usually contacts the Interworld in two situations: 1) in the interspace between incarnations; 2) in energetically active dreams.
Such contact may be accompanied by three effects: 1) leading to the “dumping” of excess energy into realizing what cannot be accomplished in real worlds; 2) discovering new creative possibilities and the emergence of new ideas and inspiration that have not yet manifested in real worlds; 3) being drawn into destructive currents that lead to losses of power on various scales.
The first possibility — most often occurring in dream space — in fact justifies the existence of this space in an ontological sense. As mentioned, more often than not, the task of dreaming is to realize those impulses whose expression in the stable reality of the waking world is impossible. We also discussed that it is precisely this task that is supported by the Archons — the ancient Guardians of potentiality.
The second possibility — the mind’s “finishing work” in the virtual space of what it cannot complete in the real world — leads to discoveries (of the sort exemplified by the Periodic Table) and to insights. Magi often attempt such further work consciously, plunging their minds into the seething virtuality by means of various trance and similar techniques.
Finally, the third possibility is the most unpleasant and dangerous, though often underestimated. Upon entering the Interworld, the mind finds itself surrounded not only by creative but also by chaotic forces, which are kept latent by the joint efforts of the Keeper of the Threshold and the Dreamkeepers.
Nevertheless, the danger that destructive forces may become active — forces that can “awaken” in the Interworld when potential space comes into contact with the actual mind — is perfectly real.
Unfortunately, few of those who have encountered such forces have left accounts, partly because they are hard to describe, and partly because these contacts most often end fatally.
Accordingly, mapping the dream-space is usually limited to its “positive” regions, and we know little about its conditionally neutral ‘native inhabitants’ — the Elementaries — and even less about its destructive forces. And yet the Archons are not merely the “Fathers” of dreams and the “Parents” of virtuality; they are the ancient, terrifying children of Chaos, primordial gods who may be darker than any darkness.
Dreamkeepers most often “eject” the mind into the waking world when it faces real danger, and we typically retain only fragmentary impressions of the virtual darkness in the form of “nightmares.”
Lovecraftian mythology and the “theologies of chaos” that followed are faint echoes of contacts between the mind and destructive forces slumbering in the depths of the Interworld. These systems reflect the irrational dread of uncontrollable destructive powers, beside which even the darkness of the Qliphoth is merely a light twilight.
For the Magus, the “horror of the night” that surfaces in dreams is neither a reason for fear nor, still less, an object of attraction. For him it is an objective danger to be noted and guarded against when he wishes to draw something from virtual spaces. Accordingly, knowledge of the “potential darkness” can help avoid losses of power or even worse outcomes, whose victims are frivolous dreamers or romantically inclined psychonauts.
Thank you for the article! As always, I have questions.
Are energetically active dreams conscious dreams? Or not all lucid dreams can be energetically active, or since there is awareness, even in the buffer of consciousness, is this synonymous with energy activity?
Regarding “chaotizing destructive forces.” What are the criteria for such forces? This question is by no means simple, as is well seen, for example, in political discussions. There are two sides, each defending its opinion and considering their actions to be constructive for the country. Yet at the same time, the position and actions of one side are absolutely destructive for the other and even entire regions of the country. Although individually, they are just two different options for development. Fear (irrational?) also cannot be a criterion. For how often do we fear something very much, but this is a barrier that we pass and only gain more Strength. Of course, if an object or process destroys everything around as in horror movies – then yes – this is a destructive force. But how to recognize it in its infancy??? When it already enters and destroys, it’s too late.
Energetically active dreams are those in which energetically significant events occur – realizations, acquisitions, or losses of energy. And there is generally no direct relationship between the energy content of a dream and its “lucidity.” “Lucid” dreams are those that are in the same flow of consciousness as “daytime” experiences, but, strictly speaking, all other dreams are also lucid in their own streams. So from the perspective of energy, there is no difference. Distinctions exist from the perspective of these streams, but they do not pertain to the topic of the current conversation.
Regarding destructive forces – it is simple: the measure is the breadth of awareness. In political discussions, both sides are usually destructive because they both want to keep consciousness within frameworks and argue only over which cage is better. Therefore, the question one should ask oneself is – how does this affect my self-awareness? Do I become freer, more tolerant, does my ability to love increase?
Thank you for the article. I have two questions.
1) “Lucid dreams are those that are in the same flow of consciousness as daytime experiences,” but, strictly speaking, all other dreams are also lucid in their own flows. That is a very interesting phrase. I often ponder the differences in the quality of awareness in dreams and during the day. And I cannot understand why “heightened” awareness during the day very rarely manifests at night and is limited only to wakefulness. Perhaps these streams of consciousness are not so tightly connected (or does daytime heightened awareness only seem so – but how can one check)? And is it necessary to try to change the quality of “night” awareness?
2) I noticed that even though I no longer live in the place where I grew up, if I dream of a space, it is usually the very place where I grew up and never where I currently live. Is it possible that the old house is like an image of my psyche presented in the dream this way?
1) The fundamental difference between “actual” and “potential” reality lies only in the size of the realization flow. The “nature” of reality is the same, and one could say that “waking” is merely the most stable dream. When consciousness is in a relatively stable flow of interconnected realizations, where one of its steps logically follows from the previous one and also logically leads to the next, we call this state “waking.” When the connection between realizations is nonlinear, and the flow itself is unstable and fluctuates, we call this state “dreaming.” In fact, both states distinguish from the potential field more or less stable pictures – worlds, however, the picture created in the state of “waking” is relatively stable and internally connected, while the “bubbles” of perception formed by the unstable flow of dreaming consciousness are also unstable, and their internal logic is less linear. Accordingly, the consciousness’s ability to navigate in the stable and progressive flow of “daytime” reality and its ability to “understand” in the fluctuating and changing flows of dream states are indeed different abilities. And the development of one of them does not necessarily mean the “automatic” emergence of the other; although, of course, often the lucidity of dreams appears as a result of a general increase in awareness. That is, although this is a manifestation of the same consciousness, they are, after all, its different manifestations, the connection between which exists, but it is not strict. The value of the orderliness of “daytime” consciousness is that it allows the formation of those very stable realization flows, and thus – effectively actualizing the potentials of consciousness. The value of the attention in dreaming is that this attention will be needed in the Interval, bardo, and the development of orderliness (though there are entirely different forms of order) of these consciousness flows will help to more effectively navigate through the Interval.
2) Of course, usually our consciousness expresses its stable states through images that associate with reliability and security.
Thank you for your response, it’s valuable. Then I dare to disturb you again. I understand that the development of “daytime” and “nighttime” awareness can be combined. Regarding daytime: If there is already a basic skill of awareness (constant self-attention), then in which direction should I go next? Gradual work (mindfully not indulging in “programs”-instincts, for example) or is there a possibility of a leap similar to that from reduced to basic? Regarding nighttime. Where should I even begin? The notorious hands in a dream, just intending to have a conscious dream before falling asleep or something else?
“Unfortunately, few of those who have had contact with such forces have left a description of them, partly because they are difficult to describe fully..” – that’s true.. Almost all, with few exceptions, simply remember NOTHING! This is done for your “welfare”, and, of course, there are many reasons “why”… BUT there is no “goal, desire” to scare you before “you start producing quality bricks” 😉 or worse.. There is no sense in this! Therefore, sometimes “this” seems ridiculously absurd, dumb, or really primitive… “secondly, because these contacts often end fatally…” – that is correct…
And now I will tell about “fatality” since you mentioned it ;-).. Strangely enough, it’s the fastest and 99% DEADLY “way” to get rid of “this” and intercept almost complete “control” from “this”.. The MAIN thing is that you must believe in this “fatality”! And while “this” for a moment “steps back, UNCLASPS” (how “this” keeps you… through what, who, and so on – that’s another theme), the “interception” will happen; here you need NOT SMALL FORCES to !HOLD! the “control” since it usually easily “restores” its “control” very quickly… I don’t even ADVISE this “method” because you have a 99.8% chance of NOT SUCCEEDING, that is GAME OVER, and there is no “second” chance in this “life, incarnation, term”!!! THERE are plenty of worthy techniques and practices for a more gradual restoration of “control” and forward!!!
I think about realization. I know that it can be purified to the point of agreement with all participants. Even with the “enemy” and especially with the “enemy.” Between me and the pole opposing me is a huge piece of the world, and reaching agreement means recognizing it. I see confrontation as the second most effective way of awareness after love. So I thought more about God. Not that God who punishes the unbelievers, not that God who demands sermons, not that God who says “kill.” But about my own. His desire can fit into a huge number of wills, which is everything manifested. I think that to some extent, freedom is such a desire that would be in agreement with everyone. Not a single person in the corner, not a single enemy, nothing worth removing. God is when everyone willingly and happily lives in your world. Although probably right after that, some part of oneness will again want to become whole… and start its path with fragmentation.
“Energetically active dreams are those in which energetically significant events occur – realizations, acquisitions or losses of energy…” I believe realization meant conducting an experience obtained in a dream from potential to real. Awareness in a dream can be different, through “the gates of dreaming,” more aware, knowledgeable, experienced parts of consciousness can be awakened. However, this is more about the Consciousness itself, not the Dream Space.
As for the Dream Space and its participants – there is a very thin line between reality and dreams, between what is within and what is outside. After Something consumed my Awareness, I learned that protections need to be set for oneself and the space, and before this, both need to be cleansed. It’s not for nothing! How would you agree and negotiate with this Something if it pursued only its function?
I think a good protection exists from the curious. Therefore, I don’t know how one should strive to get where they shouldn’t. I immediately remember the comic about the boy who ended up in hell on his way to the kitchen… Seriously… what should be done (or not done) to not become that boy?) Also, it seems to me that most often, someone stronger pulls you where you shouldn’t go…
Even if you are traveling in a dream in a can of your Psychocosmos, even so… in the psyche there are its Guardians and areas, where without certain development of Awareness, you cannot enter, or your roof will go. I think this implementation, when the unconscious takes over the Consciousness, is unlikely to please you. And God is no help to you here…
It is not related to the article’s theme. The article itself, in my opinion, does not fully describe the Dream world, but reflects the author’s personal experience. Since I am not the most logical person, and “male” consciousness operations are harder for me than, for example, receptiveness, I cannot yet articulate what I dislike about this article) it does not include my experience, that’s for sure. All the other things about attacking, taking away, and eating … well, my consciousness is different, my dreams are different, a different God who does not punish. Although, I try not to deny yours. We are, in fact, saying the same thing; I am telling you that your value system is not the only one, that there are other coordinate systems, honestly, there are, not in a cartoon, but right in my head, for example. Can you seriously not imagine a being with a logic different from yours? Its reality and dreams are also different from yours. And somewhere, there is that which unites these different worlds in any case. And it is not about attacks, not about consumption, and not about protections. Typically, it’s a logic of a higher order, within which worldviews, for example, yours and mine, can fit. The logic that encompasses all worldviews is, in my view, one of the sides of God) and for the tenth time, I am trying to say that I like your worldview because of how far it is from me, because when I become aware, I embrace a huge piece of the world. In awareness, and that means the coexistence of your view of the world and mine. Not accepting yours. Not accepting mine. Not destroying either viewpoint. But awareness of a higher order.
The article is not complete as knowledge can be dangerous. For instance, it can break down the perception barrier, which in this case may serve as protection. To warn about the calamities without waking them is quite a challenging task. “Potential knowledge” does not showcase experience as such, just prompts one to think about their safety. The dream space cannot be described fully. People have been interested in dreams for a long time, but is there any book where this space has been fully described? Sensitivity does not like the lack of experience. You shouldn’t reveal too much either. The only thing I can notice is that you want to expand your consciousness, but not at the expense of others, not through synthesis with someone else’s worldview; like me, you found your own seed and want it to grow without external interference. You don’t want mixing, don’t want switching from this internal point, but want the consciousness to expand enough to encompass all areas in their perfection. Here, movement is needed – to agree and to refute, and if you refute, then later agree. Recognize the duality of everything and you will draw closer to your God.
“COMPROMISE” is ALWAYS a renunciation of oneself!.. By going for a “compromise,” you ALWAYS betray yourself first of all!.. QUESTION: WHAT do you mean by the word “god”?.. Let me put it this way: — ALL so-called “gods” in the socially accepted and widely understood sense among ordinary people of any race, nation, or people – are all just ordinary parasitic entities. We are CREATORS and have CREATED ALL THIS.. And many continue to create blindly, reflexively, unconsciously, under the direct and attentive control of these minor “gods!!!.. I fully understand that THIS has been true since this day, and it will only get worse and worse.. THIS IS ALL !WEAVING! every second.. It becomes more and more complicated..
And this trash learns, adapts,
COVERS ITSELF (Example: as soon as “insight” about the so-called “sphere(s)” began to flicker, the film was instantly taken down, already in theaters within a week, and along similar lines, there are “plenty”…).. You can only stop this “loom” by awakening the vast ?majority? OF US — and that is !ONLY STOP THIS!.. BUT for now — STAND, careful, skillful, wise “shaking”.. Right “IN THE FACE” — WE ARE FEW!!! REMEMBER:
— A WAKENED ONE, WILL, sooner or later, AWAKEN EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE AROUND…
And advancement in magic generally, it should be noted, goes through overcoming fear, through the unknown. And that is normal.
Hello.
Can any momentary virtual illusion be recognized as an equivalent of action, and thus lead to depletion and loss of opportunities? And if with daytime illusions one can fight and anchor oneself in the present moment, what about dreams? Is there also a leakage of awareness through dreams?
Waking and not allowing illusions develops control and leads to the growth of awareness? Will resisting the urge of impulses to manifest (even if virtually) provoke dissatisfaction and growth of the shadow?
If the Archons use the taken strength of awareness from people to strengthen the boundary for protection against horrors from the depths, does this mean that the hypothetical increase in the number of awakened mages will thin this boundary?
Hello!
It all depends on the amount of energy involved. Although indeed, any dream, any “air castle” uses some share of actualization, this share is rarely significant enough to shift the overall ratio of open, closed, and used opportunities.
Energy leaks through virtual reality when some impulses are laid down in the actual reality that cannot then be realized there, and either they fall into the shadow or realize in dreams, with the latter being much better from the perspective of evolutionary consciousness.
And, as we have discussed many times (https://en.enmerkar.com/magus-way/kontrol-zhelanij), control is possible only at the stage of impulse emergence; at subsequent stages it is no longer control but suppression and shadow growth.
Nevertheless, it is unlikely that a situation may arise where all impulses can manifest in actual reality, and therefore, even at the highest degrees of development, consciousness needs a “drain valve” in the form of the dream reality. Thus, artificially blocking this process will only lead to a build-up of tension and, indeed, to the thinning of the boundary, when realities begin to mix, and the dream begins to intrude into the current reality of that consciousness.
– What should I talk about?
– About how God created the world
– This music shows the way – listen to it
– It is beautiful, but it’s just a fairy tale
– This is not a fairy tale – it’s a dream, you must follow it
– I am a scientific person, I rely on real facts, I cannot depend on dreams that I do not have
– But if there are – follow them………. How many banks does this river have?
– Two
– How do you know?
– Here is one, and there is the other, one plus one equals two
– How do you know this?
– Because it is so – one plus one equals two
– You are mistaken, this river has three, five, a thousand banks, children understand this, but you do not. The river is a child of the anaconda. We learned this in our dreams. But it is true, and it is much more real than your reality.
What do you see? – The world is so huge, but you chose to see only this. The world speaks, and I just know how to listen.
Listen to the music of your ancestors – it is the path you are looking for. But really listen, not just with your ears……
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“The Embrace of the Snake”
Throughout the existence of humanity, dreaming, as a natural and yet mysterious part of life, has garnered close attention and spawned countless attempts to explain to oneself and others what it really is and what role it plays in everyday existence and global meaning.
A multitude of viewpoints with various cultural content has produced heterogeneous descriptions shedding light on the phenomenon of dreaming.
Which of them are correct, which are incorrect – is hard to say, and, most likely, the more accurate description will be the one that resonates with the reader’s own worldview.
Both rational and irrational descriptive frameworks can be reduced to three types:
(a) skeptical, (b) symbolic, and (c) literal.
From the skeptic’s standpoint – dreaming is a kind of psychic phenomenon devoid of any cognitive value. Often it is referred to as a so-called “by-product” of psychic activity while awake.
The sleeping brain reconfigures and restructures the information perceived during the day, there is a discharge process of the accumulated emotional and cognitive tension. The process that begins during the day continues in sleep, bringing consciousness to a new intellectual-emotional equilibrium, vividly expressed in what the brain produces as “hallucinatory effects” – which we call dreams.
The maximum effect of dreaming permitted by skeptics is a schematically or sensorially arranged result of intense purposeful psychic activity occurring throughout the day. For example, it is often illustrated by the well-known dream of the chemist Dmitri Mendeleev.
Proponents of the symbolic approach believe that dreams provide access either to the repressed area of one’s own psychic activity or to an external source of knowledge. Information originating from gods, angels, demons, beings from other worlds, cosmic intelligence, global information fields, etc.
Regardless of the initial source – knowledge is perceived by the dreamer in the form of a set of symbols, some of which can be interpreted more or less similarly for a particular society and culture, while others can be considered purely individual, comprehensible and decodable only by the dreamer – within their individual symbolical baggage, with descriptions accumulated throughout life.
The literal approach may seem the most bold, even if a couple of millennia ago it was the most widespread and commonly accepted.
Within the framework of the literal descriptive mechanism, it is believed that there exists a certain area, in another world or worlds – to which the human consciousness moves during sleep. Thus, dreams are memories of events that have occurred in other dimensions.
Naturally, the approaches enumerated do not exhaust all the diversity of concepts and ideas concerning dreaming.
In the modern world, where the boundaries of the rational become increasingly unstable, and modernist and archaic worldview concepts find more fundamental similarities, we may even come across interpretations where the newest ideas are tightly interwoven with the ancient fear of any interference of consciousness in dreams. 🙂
And what then to say about those who do not see dreams?
NRDV, we all see dreams) Only dreamers feel themselves in dreams as in reality, while stalkers feel in reality as if in a dream…