Circle or Spiral?
Although, in order to know itself in all its aspects, the Great Spirit requires a “mirror” in the form of the environment — the manifested world — this process usually rarely runs smoothly as one would wish because by fixating on certain elements, processes, or phenomena of that environment, the individual mind often becomes attached, forgets its task, and becomes drawn into the cycle — Gilgul.
We have discussed the causes and mechanisms of this fixation repeatedly, and these questions have always been at the center of attention for all travelers striving to remedy such a situation and break free from the senseless cycle.
It would seem obvious enough, and it is not hard to see that the current situation is pathological and needs correction; yet when it comes to actual change, beings encounter real and often insurmountable difficulties. If one honestly examines the situation, one must admit that real development, genuine progress on the Way of liberation, is extremely rare, although, of course, many claim it and many imitate it.
And if one casts aside “positive thinking”, which diverts attention from the real situation and drives the mind into the shackles of lies and pretense, it becomes clear that to break the vicious circle of endless repetitions even the clearest understanding alone is not sufficient; a very significant energy is also required.
The problem is that the cycle itself, the cycle of endless reproductions of the same scenarios, possesses considerable inertia, accumulated over an innumerable number of its turns. One could say that over countless ages spent wandering through worlds and spaces, the mind becomes so accustomed to being limited, embodied, cut off from its nature, that to “return it home” proves extremely difficult.
Note that any stable current possesses such inertia, and upon entering the Way a being can also acquire considerable momentum along it. Yet usually the mind is precisely in the self-perpetuating state of the Gilgul, whose impulses merely engender one another without leading to any transcendence.
Accordingly, to change this situation two kinds of action are necessary.
First, one must discover within oneself an ascending activity, a vertical flow. This can be done in two ways. The first involves awakening within oneself epinoia (or, as the Buddhists say, bodhicitta — “the liberating attitude”) — the inner desire to go beyond, to break the bonds of dissatisfaction. This activates the ascending flow of mind as a response to dissatisfaction. The second is realized when the mind responds to the mezla operating within it — the “voice of infinity”, an echo of the perfection of true nature. In that case ascent is born as an answer to that call.
Second, it is necessary to accumulate enough energy to break the active cyclic programs operating in the mind. For this one must cease performing actions that create “Gilgul” impulses, and begin generating the Way’s energy. In any case, as long as energy is spent maintaining the cycle, escape is impossible while it is maintained. Hence tradition so often speaks of “social death” as one of the conditions of genuine development.
It is not for nothing that all great Masters insisted on the necessity of blind and unwavering resolve to walk the Way, and also on the need for “additional”, energy-accumulating procedures that provide the resource for such advancement. Magic as an instrument for accumulating energy in the West, psychophysical trainings in the East have always been integral to the Way as contemplation or awareness. Modern mass consciousness, unfortunately, often overlooks this point, sustaining the illusion of the Way’s accessibility. The opposite extreme — an infatuation with “techniques” to the detriment of training the mind — likewise robs development of its effectiveness.
In any case, it is very important to understand clearly that breaking senseless chains is not merely a “stroll”, not an entertaining diversion, but arduous, prolonged work on oneself and on one’s surroundings. And only if such efforts are genuinely made, if the striving to break free from the conditioned nature of manifested existence is truly unquenchable and dominates the mind’s motivation, is it possible to achieve success in it. Otherwise the traveler will inevitably meet only fatigue and disappointment.
You helped me a lot today.
Hello! What do you think, perhaps sometimes it is worth diving into the “celebration of life” to catch the contrast? I think such a shake-up can exacerbate inner problems that are not visible in solitude, a kind of Hunt for Power.
What do you mean by the celebration of life? Births?
No, ‘normal’ social interactions (loud gatherings, etc.)
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I don’t see anything wrong with a “holiday”. If you noticed, mass media constantly implies: everything is bad everywhere, we need to constantly overcome difficulties, life is negativity, courts, cops, wars, and disasters.
But in reality, if you turn off the TV, you can go to the sea, notice hugging and happy people and children, singing birds.. And see that Life is actually beautiful!
The desire for the Celebration of life is actually a desire for positivity, which people lack so much.
How nice it is to come to the sea, attune to it, feel its power, communicate with Neptune, call the dolphins, and when they come, feel like a magician).
People artificially raise positivity through alcohol, meetings with dear people.. emotions.
A magician can simply raise colors as a space of positivity and fill everything with them).
“…One could say that over countless ages spent wandering through worlds and spaces, consciousness becomes so accustomed to being limited, embodied, disconnected from its nature…” One question: does the first consciousness have an original and eternal nature?
Myths usually fill the gaps with metaphysics, the truth of which is based on the authority of the preacher.
………………………..based on the quote you provided, it turns out that Consciousness knows how to choose worlds and spaces for wanderings, but it fails to realize its own nature – (:
Enierkar, can you describe the original nature of your consciousness to the ideal you strive for and how to determine the “truth” of this nature?
A modern person has learned to comfort themselves with beautiful paragraphs from shining gurus filled with lofty meanings.
But the meaning of these inspired words dissolves in everyday life, like a drop of pure water in a sea of dirt and meaningless hustle the moment one turns away from social media.
Beautiful words, like opium for the people, like hope that does not die until the very end…
No matter how many inspired words are written – nothing changes, people do not change, the world does not change – everything returns to its cycle – so what is the meaning of these beautiful words?
It seems to a person that they strive for enlightenment and success, but their only destiny is aging, illness, and death. But even here, the eternally living hope, slipping from the lips of beautiful, purified through suffering, enlightened and developed gurus grants the revelation of the immortal essence in a person – imperishable and unburdened by age and decay. And therein lies a truly great meaning for all suddenly and gradually dying people.
This world, like other worlds, has always been and will always be this way (or until some point of total destruction = transformation that is beyond our control), only the specific forms of expression will change. This is the meaning and possibly the justification of the world – cyclically creating the illusion of change while always remaining within the firm boundaries of ascension and decline. The world cannot fall below a certain boundary, but it cannot ascend beyond a certain boundary either; it is only a “sine wave”, sometimes approaching one boundary and sometimes another. These cycles are studied, for example, by Astrology; and History shows a clear fact: when the World approached the possible destruction and fall (the most popular example is Hitler and Nazism) – some Force intervened and saved it from final collapse; but just the same, when the World was close to significant increases in freedom and prosperity – some Force intervened again, systematically creating the conditions for the World to once again plunge back into darkness.
So, the World is beautiful and terrible at the same time, but the main thing is that those who are no longer suffering from youthful maximalism perfectly understand – totally we cannot change anything. We can only play our role, or as they say in the East – our karma.
As for immortality and the immortal (indestructible) essence in a person, yes, this seems to exist, it is called Jiva in the East. It even has properties of Consciousness. But this is not at all what people mean by immortality. Usually, it is not the Jiva-Consciousness that seeks immortality (it is already immortal), but the Ego of the person, in order to continue enjoying the “holiday of life”. In very altered states of consciousness (from which one can still bring back memory to the “ordinary” state of this experience), in such meditations or trips when Pure Consciousness is discovered, and, in fact, all cultural-social programs (including the desire conditioned by “external triggers” (food, sex…) sensory pleasures and the very “immortality” as indefinite prolonging of this) fall away, turn off. In such States, it becomes clear that Consciousness doesn’t care “what” it is: a little bird, a lizard, a stone, or a person. It is all the same. Even the high-sounding “development of consciousness” is the empty sound of the same Ego. (Of course, this refers to the point of view of Jiva, not World Evolution.)
So, “we” are immortal, but our programs in memory – are not immortal.
And can we be sure that we know what this world is and the person living in it?
We have been taught a rigidly fixed perception, we were passed down a description and meanings, contained in the actions and words. We were trained in logic and rationality.
……but sometimes all this logic and meaning go to hell, because we encounter irrational, unconditioned cause-and-effect connections of Other Existence.
But we live too little to know that infinite Unknown, the touch of which makes us jaded and thirsty for new knowledge, realizing Reality – beyond description, and it is not about endless sex or consuming tasty food. These aspects of human existence exhaust themselves quite quickly. Food is just a necessity, and sex is not even needed if there is no desire to have children. The “celebration of life” is the opposite of the burdensome routine from which we escape to the other end of this banner))
Perhaps the way of life that is given to us from childhood along with language and myth is just one option, but there are others…
And if a human being (whatever it is) can master certain behavior and thinking patterns, then why can’t it master completely different ones.
To form Other Action Images.
The question of meanings remains open…………….because stepping beyond the frameworks of the human world, a person gradually ceases to be a person and becomes a different being….
All this is possible as long as there is choice. Individual choice.
(The same “celebration of life” is defined absolutely individually, and for some, something is exhausted quickly, while something is wanted to last forever…)
And when this choice is actively and aggressively taken away – starting from the freedom to live in peace and not go to war if one does not want to, and until life is taken away through a certain interval, even if it is death from old age. This is the main problem. So, I agree that “we live too little”.
If, theoretically, all these aggressors from demons in human flesh to the laws of the universe were to disappear. Then there would be Freedom. Or Chaos. Which is one and the same… (see Chaos Magic).
Only then could one achieve the Main Thing – to Freely Choose Transformation!
“stepping beyond the frameworks of programs” and so on… Yes, this would be a different being…
P.S. It is only clear that this Path goes and leads through Bardo = the Between Worlds, from Conscious Dreaming to Conscious Reincarnation for now…
I fear that the gods will not hear our complaints about the brevity of life, malicious aggressors, and lack of choice.
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Dreaming is only one of the component parts of a holistic system, within which this part has meaning and significance.
Unfortunately, only now do I begin to understand what many were fortunate to start at all. It is impossible to embrace the ungraspable, and inventing the wheel is only fun when young. One needs to find and follow some practical Tradition; a Teacher is necessary. Naturally, the Individual Path must harmonize as much as possible with this Tradition. In the Tibetan and Daoist Traditions, technologies have long been developed that it would take hundreds of lifetimes to invent. There may be, theoretically, some ‘more advanced’ Traditions – I just don’t know, we have what we have. And it usually starts with Dream Yoga.
We are not children in Tibet, and the Teacher does not shine for us. Are we not adults with academic education?, who understand that the Teacher is Everywhere…… Does the Great Creator not leave us hints everywhere he can……… Does he not say to us: ‘Look at the little drop that, falling with relentless persistence – pierces the stone’ – but no, we do not see – we are artificial people – in an artificial world (one can even suffer because of this), for as Buddha said: ‘Life is suffering’…………………………………………………………. Or maybe Life is a Quest? – Try to find the exit – Before you die…
There are plenty of teachers around, but I do not see those who really want to know; I see those who want to philosophize.
Specifically, in my case, I ask the Forces and if the answer due to my limited awareness is not completely clear, I ask my assistants and they explain it to me.
“But we live too little to know that infinite Unknown”
It always seemed that the life of the so-called human here, on the contrary, is unmeasurably vast. At the same time, it is unmeasurably empty and meaningless.
And the infinite unknown is not known because this is an artificial world, meaningless and empty existence in which, makes everyone artificial.
Max, what do you think Pure consciousness is?
How can I describe this in words)))
In my understanding – it is the last state of consciousness, which, when deepened, you can remember at least simply “what it was”, without any specifics of experience. Everything else that constitutes me is enhancements over this. These enhancements can be named and classified in any way: ego, personality, desires, thoughts… Both occultism and scientific psychology and neurobiology deal with this with more or less success. These enhancements we can construct, reconstruct, completely destroy, transform, “develop”… This is exactly what most practitioners do, from psychotherapy to magic. But the essence is that all of this is already enhancements.
From the “opposite” side, I think that behind this “pure consciousness” lie even deeper areas, but from there, it is impossible to bring back the memory of experience, even in the form: “something was there”. Listen to the interview with John C. Lilly. He explains perfectly and even, as a Scientist, gives a certain Scale of this immersion.
I myself do not try to practice such things often. For me, the value of such an experience is primarily in alleviating the fear of death. That is, you simply understand that even if you cannot preserve the enhancement and everything is reset, well, nothing terrible, I was close to it and nothing terrible happened – fear is just another enhancement… And then, when the pressure of the ‘survival instinct’ disappears, then you begin to treat everything and Life – as a Game (Lila) or as a Dream…
Thank you.
I myself am now pondering this topic. I have a somewhat different point of view. For me, “pure consciousness” is closer to the original, initial.
The original consciousness is a part of the Creator’s consciousness, like a pure child, a pure substance without ties and experience. Gradually this consciousness, changing worlds, acquires new colors, new sensations, new shades, and ultimately it acts in its original state, having a constant connection with the Creator and at the same time is asleep, constantly changing form and place of existence.
I think, Max, that I have essentially expressed a similar point of view to yours, just a little generalized)
John Lilly is a drug addict. You see, if the depths of consciousness are known through pharmacological intoxication, then how high is the value of such knowledge?
John Lilly paid an exorbitant price just to ‘look into the windows of the Forces’ ………… (for illustration) – https://en.enmerkar.com/magus-way/windows-and-doors
Drugs, however ‘safe’ they may be – Unworthy ‘throats of light’, https://en.enmerkar.com/magic/throats-of-light because once the pharmacological agent is removed from the body – the Windows are Bricked Up ………that is, Development DOES NOT HAPPEN..
The value of drug trips in the early stages of Knowing Oneself lies in Physically, Practically, in experience showing a person that right here and now inside their own body exists Other Points of View – Other States of Consciousness that are radically different from the habitual Feeling, Awareness, Perception of themselves and the world….This means that One Should Seek Stable Other States of Self to expand perception, intensify awareness, allowing to process and operate with a large number of sensory signals coming Into Consciousness From the Outside all at once.
All pharmacological agents, any chemical stimulants Must Be Timely and Ruthlessly Discarded, as tools that do not lead to development and destroy the body.
….in my youth, I experienced a multi-day Datura trip (I do not strongly advise anyone, as this is playing with death, especially on its territory)….it is very difficult to get out of another, extremely attractive world, especially if there is a resource for continuous staying in it…
In this regard, I can say that there is a very important topic that I would call: Shields of the Magician. ….to return from the Unknown with an undamaged mind, or at least with a mind that is not severely damaged and capable of returning to a viable state over time – Shields are needed.
I will not engage in philosophical discussions with you anymore. Period.
But regarding John Lilly, I cannot refuse to respond. John Lilly was never a drug addict and lived quite a long time, dying in as much health as possible in old age.
Psychedelics are not drugs – there is a wealth of research proving this. Yes, he also used them, as there was such a trend then, but later he rejected their mass use! John Lilly invented a technological device – a floatation tank – and conducted the bulk of his experiments in it. There, the effect is achieved through sensory deprivation.
Here the question can be posed more broadly – is it worth experimenting with one’s Consciousness using some additional external influences at all?
Of course, everyone answers this for themselves. There are at least two Paths. The Meditative – which many holy ascetics have used from Orthodoxy to Bon. Just prolonged self-observation of one’s Consciousness in solitude. Usually, it takes decades to achieve the first significant results. It is a calm and very slow Path. But it is devoid of accelerators and judgments.
And there is the Shamanic, Trickster, Hacking Path. The use of hacks, transcensors, circumvention of untrodden paths… It is not absolutely necessary that this be the intake of substances. It can be sensory deprivation (burial, descent into caves), holotropic breathing, pain, etc.
But the point is that this is also a Path! Not an evolutionary one. Revolutionaries were never liked anywhere and will not be liked. It’s just that there are beings born this way, so to speak) Their fate is rarely simple and easy, but the intensity of the Path is incredible. And sometimes it is the paradigm-breaking revolutionaries who open previously unseen horizons.
You just started to write something interesting and then immediately drop it. Well, as you say.
I sincerely Apologize if I offended you.
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If you allow me, I would like to note that if LSD were so safe, it is likely that Stanislav Grof would have no need to develop the psychotherapeutic technique of holotropic breathing after researching the effects of LSD on human consciousness……………….It would be simpler to just apply psychedelics………………………….And why did John Lilly have to refuse their use if they are safe.
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The practice of sensory deprivation goes deep into antiquity……………………….According to legend, the ancient Toltecs began their studies with the use of power plants – gradually they came to the conclusion that they should look for other ways to achieve altered states of consciousness (despite the fact that, for example, the alkaloids of Lophophora are also, generally speaking, safe) and, in particular, applied sensory deprivation techniques (including the same self-burial in the ground and the same Speed of Power in the dark across rough terrain when vision ceases to play a dominant role in perception and many others) – ……………………………by analogy, one can assume that in a couple of thousand years modern science will come through research to the Toltec concept of the point of assembly and practical understanding that a human being with all its personalities, sub-personalities, emotions, memories, and appearance is just a position of the point of assembly on the energy cocoon (although I might be mistaken)
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I think the question is in an effective system (regular systematic activity) leading to the Transformation of a person as a whole being without separating the soul from the body. A concept based on experimentally proven data is needed, not metaphysics that is supposedly true a priori… In this context – the opinions of practitioners are undoubtedly interesting. The results of their activities are interesting. The possibility of exchanging power is interesting, but only Gebo (equivalent exchange), not the inverted Nauþiz (draining giving or receiving of what you don’t need)
Gebo is not interesting to me.
I have Algiz, Othila, Ansuz. And there, convert it through Eiwaz or Gebo.
Gebo is relevant – when there are equals.
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We can talk about transformations.
“A concept based on experimentally proven data is needed, not metaphysics that is supposedly true a priori…”
Who needs it? Those who run the planet – certainly do not need it. They have an entirely opposite direction.
Masses definitely do not need it. They don’t care what system they are in.
“I think the question is in an effective system (regular systematic activity) leading to the Transformation of a person as a whole being without separating the soul from the body.”
What quality and orientation of transformation is meant?
Theo, why talk about transformation?
Let’s play a game… When every word is what will come to life, each idea is a prayer, each advice is a credo…
It seems that people are at a level above me, yet there is so much mental noise…)))
Well, let’s go,
The general human DNA is changed to the DNA of the primary human matrix.
Let’s check in a month. 🙂
A month has passed. I haven’t noticed any changes in the DNA of all people becoming that of the primary matrix. .. => it does not work. .. Yes, of course, a lot can be commented on this topic, about what changed and what happened in the past month, for those interested in such sciences. But the fact at this moment remains a fact. .. I don’t have time for these experiments anymore; I will return to this when I free myself.
You simply do not believe that the DNA of a person has been altered to the primary matrix. But it has been altered. And don’t try to prove your disbelief to me. What’s the point of your words if you do not believe in them?)))
Well, since you are so sure of it, please describe the changes.
“If you allow me, I would like to note that if LSD were so safe, it is likely that Stanislav Grof would have no need to develop the psychotherapeutic technique of holotropic breathing after researching the effects of LSD on human consciousness……………….It would be simpler to just apply psychedelics………………………….And why did John Lilly have to refuse their use if they are safe. ”
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Well, okay – I will respond)))
Just this is more of a topic for a private conversation or for other, more thematic places.
I very much ask, because I have communicated with you and know that you can think objectively and unprejudiced, – just check the facts before you write something like that. What is safe for you? And what is considered safe for the governmental and extra-governmental guiding structures (for them)? It is not what is dangerous for regular people that is banned. Because then they would have banned alcohol and tobacco; which are many, many times more toxic and cause terrible diseases. Even synthetic LSD in reasonable doses is no more toxic than a piece of sausage. The effect is based not on intoxication (as you wrote), but on the structural analogy with the neurotransmitter serotonin and the competitive capture of its receptors in the synapses – these are micro-processes. How healthy these processes are – I am not the judge. But to study something, it needs to be launched not in the usual way – then that will be an experiment – experience… But judging by the fact that Albert Hofmann lived to be 102 years old and did not suffer from severe dementia – LSD is unlikely to be overly dangerous. I will finish here, or I will be accused of propaganda. Although I am simply presenting scientific facts.
But now the main thing – let’s find an interview with Terence McKenna. (Yes, he died early, but that doesn’t necessarily make it an effect of plants; one should study his pedigree.) One of his responses is amazing. Literally: “psychedelics dissolve cultural programming and thus carry a certain political charge”. In other words – we are programmed by a culture that the world’s guiding structures uphold for their purposes. Everything that destroys these programs and stereotypes – takes the person beyond these social games – he becomes freer and will no longer serve slavishly what is wanted from him – to be a compliant cog of the System. Of course – they will suppress this with all their might. And the great Stanislav Grof and John Lilly shifted to other technologies, not because something is necessarily more dangerous than another, but because they did not want to sit like Timothy Leary.
Personally, I have never taken any such substances. But in my life, at a certain stage, what I began is to study my Consciousness and Inner Worlds – it happened that through breathing trance psychotechnics – it saved me from suicide. So yes I advocate these methods and know from experience that it can save.
Of course – it is better to further master and practice methods that are more based on natural internal processes – the same Dreams (but I’m not saying this is a panacea).
The intake of substances is a controversial topic, if only because some have experienced good trips, while others have had bad trips. (of those who have taken them, of course)
For some, changes in microprocesses in the brain might help get rid of psychological problems, while others find that these problems worsen despite the alleged safety.
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I was trying to focus on the fact that a person, after the withdrawal of the pharmacological agent from the body, returns to ordinary life, in which the experience lived under the influence of substances is not accessible to them.
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However (this does not concern you) many people get hooked on non-dangerous non-narcotic substances, assuring themselves and those around them that they can jump off at any time, that there is no addiction. And they are true experimenters. They are constantly searching for new states. Government bans usually do not stop anyone.
Real changes become noticeable after five to ten years. A person becomes different. The body remains the same, but inside them is a completely different being. Memory deteriorates. Reactions change. Subjectively, all these changes are felt as if the person prematurely exhausts their energy resources. And this is not my fiction. At one time I was “lucky” to be indirectly involved with people like that, to observe their so-called “development” for years.
In practice, it goes so that when non-dangerous substances run out – the search begins for any substances, regardless of whether they are dangerous or not – just to break into another world.
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The essence lies in the behavioral algorithm. The sequence of actions cyclically repeats. ….they jump off one substance, jump on to another, then onto a third, then take a break and even go through recovery courses, and then – again, the search. Here you have a closed circle. I express this opinion NOT to argue with yours.
You are looking from the perspective of a scientific researcher, I am looking from the perspective of everyday life situations.
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…….maybe it isn’t worth accusing the rulers who protect their selfish interests. Just as it isn’t worth blaming the underdevelopment of the masses. You can just set all this aside and look at yourself.
After a long process of severing energetically draining social connections and learning new patterns of actions that help meet needs with minimal energy expenditure, one comes to the understanding that after, so to speak, maximizing exit from social culture – one is left with nothing. The myths described in books do not replace the familiar world. The familiar world continues to dominate over you. Surrounding people must see in you a normal ordinary person who is not dangerous to them. …..But the motivation has already changed. The value system has been reconfigured………….Here a Holistic Harmonious System is needed, and this is a very broad topic…I don’t even want to start now.
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……………..as for the topic of dreaming – I was interested in reading the autobiographical book of the dreaming practitioner Terentius Smirnov, (The Wind of the Nagual or farewell to Don Juan) – it is short and read in one breath. After several years of regular practices in seclusion, he concluded that all this dreaming is terrible devilry and turned to orthodox Christianity. On one of the book sites, Terentius attempted (unsuccessfully) to provoke another dreaming practitioner Alexey Petrovich Ksendyuk to a verbal duel, who once began with studying and practicing Eastern traditions and even lived in India in an ashram, and then gradually came to dreaming in the context of Castaneda’s Nagualism. Ksendyuk studied the issue of dreaming from different points of view very deeply. He conducted comparative analyses of the practices of different religious and esoteric movements and described his practice and conclusions. He wrote seven substantive books. I admire his criticality and balance.
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You are right; this is not the place to broadly discuss such topics. Therefore, it is probably best to finish the discussion.
So determine what you need: to “transform” or to fit in correctly.
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Until you make up your mind, there is really nothing to discuss with you here.
That’s one.
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Two. Study the world around you.
Not as it seems to you, but as it actually is.
This is to understand where to fit in and why. And whether it is necessary.
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Third: the choice of values. And not like you have now: where it seems stronger, there are the values. But your own values.
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There is no own 1st sphere. Malkuth. Supports.
You keep hoping to find it in someone else. And for some reason you think that someone should provide it to you. And you feel offended if it doesn’t happen.
The world “as it actually is” – is a Great Mystery, the “thing in itself” – inexpressible in words. A person can highlight a figure from the background, designate it with a sound combination – a name and description, assign it a simplified 2D image and manipulate it in every possible available way. But what this figure actually is – is Outside of descriptions and images.
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…..I do not describe you and I do not try to correct you or “help” you.
Tavita Shauta, I read you like an open book.
You (specifically for me) are not a mystery.
All your motives and actions are crystal clear, as are their reasons. (Or at least almost all.)
And therefore the post above.
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“… I do not describe you and I do not try to correct you or ‘help'”
……mmm… and you know what I would say to that..
If I were you, I would actually try to describe me.
And you know why..
Ha. Perhaps you will stop irritating me in this blog. And I will finally stop paying attention to you,)))
And for you – it’s a wonderful opportunity to find out whether you are interacting with the right image. And whether you are reacting adequately to it.
I am serious.
Describe me, and voice everything you think about me. I allow it.
And I promise to honestly respond to what is true and what is not.
Not here, of course. You have my contacts.
Dare – good.
If you don’t dare, alas, you will continue to irritate :), and there will be noise from both of us here. Alas, I read this blog.
You yourself drew Gebo here. This is Gebo.
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I perfectly know that you enjoy debating with me.
But this is not a healthy option.
And I do not like it.
I do not know if you have faced such a situation in life or not, but sometimes when you start to manifest yourself, start to “play” with the desire to express yourself, find, try different things within yourself, burning, moving, etc. People come running and start to teach you, because you think, lead, do everything wrong. After all, they know better what you need to do and how you need to think… And when you start to defend your position – you are called arrogant, selfish, and aggressive. Naturally, you start to wonder that maybe there is something wrong with you since you receive such a reaction from the “world”, or even worse, you try to become convenient for others. And that means to neither think nor speak, to remain silent, not to breathe, to die. Because that is exactly the feeling that arises when others try to suppress your natural need to express yourself. Know that it is like in lucid dreaming there are such characters as sprites (I think that’s what they are called, I don’t remember exactly); when you manifest your awareness in a dream – they start to interfere with you so that your consciousness returns back to sleep. Because you bother them; in reality, people have this feeling of “interference” called envy, which turns into resentment. Since sprites do not see the person himself, they only see the model of him that they have created for themselves, they see the model of the dream. Of course, there are real characters who test your naturalness, that true essence that is in you, helping to discard the dream models about yourself. But they do not interfere, do not accuse, do not force… They help.
This comment is completely off-topic. I do not answer questions directed specifically at me here. (Not interesting.) Read it yourself if you are interested. The transaction for reading is open.
Theo, this comment is not addressed personally to you (and not even in thoughts directed at you, even if you prompted these thoughts).
“You are right; this is not the place to broadly discuss such topics. Therefore, it is probably best to finish the discussion.”
I completely agree – we conclude the discussion. Definitely a Period.
“I was trying to focus on the fact that a person, after the withdrawal of the pharmacological agent from the body, returns to ordinary life where the experience lived under the influence of substances is not accessible to them.”
But I absolutely disagree with this! Once again – please do not absolutize your experience onto everyone! After any trip, people of particular disposition, and there are not few, undergo what is called Integration. Speaking in magical terms – the experience is integrated into the Monad. All, absolutely all, my trips, not under prohibited substances (I have never taken them), but even under those allowed plus breathing – were all integrated into my essence. For me, this was the effect of transformation then. I have changed and I am changing with every Ritual, whichever it may be. All to a good extent, if not to be a complete perfectionist, integrates into “everyday life”, if it is that important. Furthermore, I hope to find even more effective methods of Tantra (Tantra – The Path of Transformation). But I am grateful for what I have. Even if it wasn’t super perfect. We always move forward without stopping Onward. New paths of Transformation…
Ksendyuk – yes, he is a very controversial guru. I cannot yet form a definite opinion about him. But Smirnov – definitely does not pretend to be. Ksendyuk gave interviews with Oleg Bakhtiyarov and behaved very arrogantly there. Therefore, I have such an ambiguous opinion. I respect Bakhtiyarov in every way, but he isn’t very on our topic.
And now, finally, for the last conclusion – the most important.
The most disgusting and Dangerous thing about this topic, in my opinion, – is the commercialization. That is – here you have substances for pleasure, just give money. And this will give everyone pleasure. No, it won’t. Or then you will have to pay even more later. All the horrors around the jumping and deterioration of memory and so on – all of this is very real for many. A serious approach is needed.
Soon there will be an opportunity to virtualize altogether without substances. They will be forgotten like antiquity. But I slightly overstepped there, I just shared what I know because some are working on this…
Let’s please finish. This is a mega-topic of the future, not the past.
The consequences of the experience lived under the influence of substances naturally reflect somehow on everyday life.
But the Experience Itself is INACCESSIBLE without the intake of substances.
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It is not a fact that the possibility of entering a virtual reality using devices will facilitate the development of consciousness.
No device – no experience; the same goes for – No substances – no experience lived under their influence.
I want to thank the Respected opponents for the feedback.
I probably express poorly in words what I want to convey.
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Transformation is understood differently by different people. There are different Traditions, Paths, that shape their definitions and each seeker chooses what is close to them, although different processes are called by the same word.
In the context of the above (for me) a question arises about criteria.
Is a particular experience developing or is it an empty experience or loss of power that may accompany an altered state of consciousness, unusual impressions? Such criteria exist. They include Aftertaste and Resonance as well as direct awareness of the process at the moment of its unfolding. But again – someone from the travelers applies these criteria, and someone does not.
Therefore, it often happens that there is a self-suggested imitation of development.
It is very hard to admit to oneself that one was wrong for many years, as failures can be easily attributed to external malicious forces or fateful circumstances.
On one hand, it seems better to walk the path in solitude and not exchange opinions with anyone, while on the other hand – this leads to getting stuck on oneself.
It is good that there are books, but books are very often the heritage of the dead. Sometimes one wants to hear the opinion of a living person who is also walking the Path.
But in this case – everyone has their own expression style and their own set of internal contradictions that do not allow communication to occur comfortably for all participants.
I have noticed (perhaps someone disagrees with this), that weak words do not generate differences in potential and do not elicit a response. Formalized mutual politeness quickly leads to the fading of dialogue and the failure of a person to unveil what they hide under the cover of standard phrases.
On the other hand, Provocation is also not the best way of communication as it extracts inappropriate emotions from a person along with the information. Although these emotions indicate the imperfection of the personality, clinging to the sense of one’s own importance.
In result, unproductive energy exchange takes place, and the meaning of the dialogue comes down to zero.
Interest – (not commercial, but cognitive) – may be the best indicator of productive energy exchange, but I rarely meet people with whom such prolonged mutually interesting communication is possible.
No sense in discussing energy exchange.
The key point is who enters into it.
And what they want to achieve.
Two components: participants, goal. That’s all.
If they are in order, then the energy exchange is a means.
And therefore, you were given the post above “to determine”.
Everything is simple.
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“I probably express poorly in words what I want to convey.”
That is indeed the case.
Tavita, what will you answer me if I say that the concept of “Traditions” is purely individual? The concept of “Empty experience” is also something incomprehensible. An experience is an experience, whether in Africa or anywhere else, and if it is not Experience, then it means it is actions not related to increasing knowledge.
Your little problem is that you have filled your head with non-existent problems and are now trying to find an exit from what you have created.
There are things that cannot be put into words understandable to anyone who reads them. These things are easiest to convey to someone who is able to perceive them through a holistic synchronous mutual experience (energy exchange) beyond words. ………You are in a hurry to issue a judgment about what you cannot understand.
The transformation of a magician is growth. It involves such changes as a new sensation of the world, accumulation of particles of information from surrounding spaces, increasing experience through interaction. The experience and wisdom of a magician come through increasing connections to spaces, matrices, and new forms of consciousness.
The criterion of “aftertaste” serves as new understanding of the same processes. You are merely gaining a new shade of awareness.
I largely agree. The question is where this new feeling about the world leads. I have seen people whose new sense of the world led them to degradation and death. This is a bitter experience, fortunately – someone else’s experience that can serve as an example of how not to do things and act………… New forms of consciousness, to which one is connecting, do not always have a beneficial effect on consciousness. The aftertaste refers precisely to the self-feeling after a particular experience, signaling whether the experience was developing, enhancing, or depleting, weakening.
Fortunately, I do not know any cases where an acquaintance with something new led to what you described. Perhaps you mean some purely ‘human’ desire for new sensations. I mean magical, that leads to the expansion of Psi, i.e., an increase in awareness. Take, for example, Ena’s new post about symbols. A simple meditation on the symbols will reveal to you the picture of understanding and their action in reality. And if you practice projecting your consciousness into the interworld, it will introduce you to the source. Would this count as an increase in awareness? I think yes.
The distinction between human aspiration and magical is very blurred, if not speculative (as if a certain “teacher” would confidently say – do this because it is magical, but do not do that because it is human, with the intention of imposing his opinion on a person). Does the person who calls himself a wizard not seek to experience new sensations? – of course, as a result of his actions, observing his degradation, one could state that he is not a wizard at all and his aspirations are purely “human”. I hold the belief based on my and others’ experiences that every thought and every action arising from the previous one can have both a constructive and a destructive influence on the evolutionary process of a person who has a subjective ground to call himself a wizard. And, therefore, it is necessary to continuously track Self-awareness and comprehensively analyze the Results and Consequences of thinking and acting processes. Real increases in awareness are physically manifested in an individual’s everyday life, and if one looks at the expressed results of a person’s lifestyle, one can understand where certain ways of action and thinking have led them. For example, when it comes to deceased teachers – I look at what they died from. And if someone considers a teacher great and reveres him, and the teacher died from tuberculosis or cancer, or kidney failure – then, I believe, one can say with a high degree of probability that such a life outcome is quite likely for the followers of his teachings. Or, for example, a person tries to advise on the Tree of Sefirot, attempting to present himself as an expert, while simultaneously showing signs of emotional instability; I understand that this person is engaged in nothing more than self-deception, as the understanding of the Tree is incomplete without internal work on oneself – ideally, at least achieving a “View from Tiferet” – a state of balance and inner harmony. Or, another person, convinced that he is undoubtedly developing by grasping the New, can provide a coherent opinion about things that are also interesting to me. But if you tear off that mask-case behind which it’s so convenient to hide – then deep inside, a kind of swan-crab- pike is revealed, which occasionally flaps its wings or swims somewhere – but in the end – nothing has changed. The person himself recognizes his internal contradictions and summarizes his powerlessness in attempts to change anything. As for me – I seek sincere opinions based on personal experiences. From the assertion that Any Opinion is Based on Fragmented Knowledge, I search for pieces-puzzles of knowledge that I am missing for completeness and wholeness but which may have been found by others as a result of their diligent efforts for self-improvement, as a résumé of their activities. I am looking for living examples of energy transformations – that Transformation which might be beneficial to me and a hint of which could be discerned in the speaker’s words. Just hints, because words alone can never convey the experience in its entirety. …. Your advice about a simple meditation might be useful to someone.
Ah… I see. Well, good. Let’s continue. Hey, Sirius, whose girl is this? The 6th sphere of Sirius. From whose spiritual family is she? Bright flow of Sirius, 6th sphere, creators-demiurges, I address you. Your girl has gotten lost in her mind and has started doing the exact opposite of what she was loaded for. Out of fear, she fell under the jurisdiction of the local devils of the 5th sphere. And now she frightens people with names. Meanwhile, she is leaking scenarios and creating a decadent atmosphere through empty provocations. And not only that, additionally for her own amusement. So here’s the thing. If you are concerned about your girls and their wellbeing, send someone senior from your ranks, with conscience and understanding (locally or etherically), and put your girl’s mind back in place. I give 2 months for a reaction. If your girl’s behavior does not change, to an adequate VY and initial tasks/state – she will go under the drain along with the rest, you know who. (Showing.) Under my responsibility. Theo. ————————– And do not send little and inexperienced girls here anymore. Their effectiveness is zero. Better send carriers of the male spirit. Although it’s already too late.. Don’t send anyone. We’ll manage with those who remained adequate.
Theo, here is your reaction… The fact that your expectations were not met is not the fault of another, and it is not a reason to write complaints))) Better engage in processing your resentment so that it is not masked by you. Provocateurs inform on you that You are vulnerable. Respectfully, the Great Galactic Instance.
Are you from her spiritual family and related to the demiurges of Sirius? This is not about me at all. And you know nothing about my expectations. And if you do, then it’s incorrect. (It’s counted.)
Theo, and you must be, right?) Demiurges of Sirius?… How interesting the world is)) I once crossed paths with the Children of Light from the planet Sirius, they seem to be quite ignorant of critical thinking and have a mind utterly zombified by some mental idea. I hope you are not the same case. No need to reply. All the best.
It’s necessary. 🙂
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“Theo, and you must be, right?) Demiurges of Sirius?..”
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No. And that is precisely why I made the request to them above.
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I am familiar (practically) with at least three directions of Sirius on Earth – horizontal worlds.
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1 – glitchy and they are engaged in nonsense (on Earth), they have “esoteric schools” here, but those I have encountered are precisely engaging in complete useless nonsense.
2 – normal, there are those worlds that we refer to as Russian-Slavic.
3 – the worlds of the Players of Sirius – are generally normal.
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The girl who lost her mind above, is in spheres higher, there it is somewhat different, and there should be adequate ones.
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And yes, you did not answer my question. But I know the answer myself. You do not have a direct method – certainly.
From my own experience: a magician becomes a magician when he decides to be one. This changes life, as our desire, reflected in reality, is the vector of the fate you build, and your confident and powerful – I want to become a magician, will serve as the formula, and that key point from which the branches of a new reality will begin to grow. It is important to understand that Powers are a reflection of our views and actions. No one changes our reality; we change it. By giving birth to desire, we create a new vector for our fate. Remember the saying: when the student is ready, the teacher appears? If a person has doubts, he is not ready, as behind readiness lies eagerness and a tremendous desire. When you grasp any moment, any small chance that arises to step onto this path. What is the difference between human aspiration and magical? – At the root. A person lives by what exists and what is given to him. A magician, interacting with origins, delving into the essence of himself, the universe, strives to become the master of his fate. By learning, gaining understanding and wisdom, increasing interaction with beings, forces, he becomes part of the world, part of what a person only lightly touches without thinking about the reasons.
Hello! I didn’t know which section to ask this question. I would like to consult on a very strange question) When I try to increase the energy flows within myself, a strange thing happens: an impulse runs all over my body and something like trembling occurs. But as a result, energy does not accumulate. I would appreciate any explanations on this topic. Thank you.
“Install the capacitor.”
Maybe I’m mistaken, but it seems this is about “there’s no one thing better than another, there’s no one event better than another event” and then the plan: 1) leveled out, 2) calmed down, 3) what needs to be raised, 4) fixed, etc.
And you have a cool site, even though you speak very difficultly (you need to get used to it).
Although, on the other hand, you read one article and on the way have to read five more – a pedagogical move)
I’m grateful to you, it is evident that this is not an attack of graphomania, but real reflections, useful for seekers.
I have another question, maybe a strange one, maybe the answer is obvious for you…
It seems to me or is the whole magical concept really built on methods of obtaining and preserving energy (in a global sense). If so, then it’s somewhat sad… To learn or come to an understanding of Life and the World and all of it, in reality, is so trivial… Found where to take, took, preserved, and spent (or didn’t spend)… Well, agree, it’s painfully disappointing… All those principles, philosophies, discovering worlds, entities, systems, approaches… and all just to know where to take from, how not to lose, and how to spend??
The creator creates the world and those living in it in order to understand, looking at what he has created, first and foremost himself, the sides of his consciousness. We all are parts of these sides.
Parts that take and parts from which they take? This is a strange approach and the creator is really in this? What can be learned from this? And it seems there are too few sides – only two. Well, what about the “mystery of life”? Probably, the creator himself is bored and sad that he turns out to be so ordinary in the eyes and minds of his creations. The world is beautiful, complex, astonishing; the life of all beings is multifaceted, inscrutable, and meaningful; in each of them, there is something essential. And to reduce everything to consumerism – well, I would be disappointed with such an understanding of the parts I have created. Gods gather themselves from us. Know = recognize or not? A Mage must know what life is in all its human manifestations; if he is given to know more, then in this too. To learn, to experience, and to cope. Will, freedom of choice, and strength.
No matter how much energy you manage to “take” – you will inevitably lose immeasurably more energy.
This has come to be….or rather….It has been Established By Someone, that the homeostasis of biological systems and humans is set to emit, NOT to absorb energy.
No matter what you do, what smart words you read, or what correct exercises you perform – you (and all of us) will in any case lose more than gain.
The consequence of this Law is AGING. Aging of organisms.
We unconsciously lose energy while filling our bodies with toxins, slag, garbage from food, water, air.
The understanding of Life and the World is Unavailable to Us and YOU as well, which is why humanity is in decline – destroying the Earth, ruining the ozone layer of the atmosphere, etc.
Humanity needs a fundamentally different way of perceiving the energetic fields of the universe to evolve, to overcome the main binder Life-Death, to conquer Aging.
We have never been taught to absorb energy. For example, we cannot absorb radiation. On the contrary – increased radiation provokes diseases and premature death.
In contrast – we are continuously told that engaging in sex is right and good, while the way people do it is meaningless and unjustifiable energy emission.
The same can be said for when people “get nervous” – that too is a pointless and meaningless emission of energy.
We do not know “where to take and how not to lose,” and those rare Mages who KNOW cannot share their knowledge with the world. And there are objective and weighty reasons for this.
I liked your answer. Thank you. It’s hard to perceive different models of understanding, but it is possible. It just shouldn’t involve violence; whoever needs it, and when the time comes, will understand it without a hammer being smashed on the head. And attempts to break someone’s delusions, illusions, or misunderstandings by force have less chance of achieving the result and are more likely to lead a person to the hospital ward with no sharp objects.
You see, we all live in a world that, as you rightly noted, imposes something on us. There are so many different glasses, prisms, fogs, so many distortions… You say one thing, and from the outside and inside, it gets translated ten times back and forth, and in the end, the version that reaches consciousness is directly opposite to what you wanted to convey.
And regarding intimate relationships, I agree with you that there is indeed pressure and imposition of something very “wrong”; I also have my understanding of how it should be, and it is certainly not what I had, nor what the TV, the internet, and Aunt Dunya from the bench by the front door talk about.
And there is also a big problem with general education – the system is not interested in people understanding even a little about the structure of life. And this is paradoxical – the system, struggling for its survival, is destroying itself…
GLA, but what if in such a sad conclusion, like “…All these principles, philosophies, discovering worlds, entities, systems, approaches… and everything is just to know where to take, how not to lose, and how to spend?? …” some words are swapped, for example, “… All this knowledge about where to take, how not to lose and how to spend, and all just for the discovery of worlds, principles, philosophy, entities, systems, approaches…”:) If the sentence sounds like this, is there a difference? The choice is always yours, how to construct your sentences…. In this changing world))
Almost none, if the principle of good will is not observed.
Let there be a principle of good will 🙂 Good. For me, the difference is only in the emphasis. Where it is placed.
Milita, I agree that in magic there is no good and evil, that there is no white and black, there’s no good and bad, there are no shades of morality or anything human. Just a picture of events and that’s it. But when it concerns a person personally, suddenly everything acquires a different aspect. It’s not hurting somewhere out there, but with you; it’s not tormenting someone else, but you personally; it’s not letting you live, not someone abstract, but you personally. And all this is the price for knowledge, moreover, it is not the one who wants to know who pays for it, but simply the one who, in the eyes of the “researcher,” can provide this information. That is, a kind of hefty concentration camp with people being treated as guinea pigs. Quite something.
Yes, of course, after going through all this hell, you will become stronger if you make it through.
I do not understand why some think it is okay to act this way towards living people; I do not understand why all the books on magic say that it is permissible. Who decided this, who wrote such a law???
The answer is very simple – NOBODY.
The laws need to be rewritten; otherwise, the world will turn into an environment for the exclusive existence of the strong, and then those strong will eat themselves.
GLA, but maybe people allow this to happen themselves? Allow themselves to be manipulated and used, allow their personal boundaries to be crossed, etc. As they say, if a person can be deceived, there will be someone who will deceive him.
Well, let’s also place the accents correctly here: if there is someone who deceives, then he will find someone who can be deceived.
And you know, sometimes people realize they are being deceived and simply believe that something will change…
I think that individual choice is what defines who a person will be. And not always is the victim someone who likes being a victim; she simply naively believes, endures, and waits.
Well, that’s such a thing…
In general, this dispute makes no sense because beliefs (true or imposed) cannot be destroyed with two sentences. So, I suggest we part in peace and switch to something more productive than proving to each other “you are such a one”.